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Experimenting with Google App Engine - Bret Taylor's blog

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  • Aviv Shaham

    7 months ago

    I wish all blogs were like this one in terms of presentation. Widget-less, perfect font size, to-the-point. Someone should come up with a bare-bones Blogger.
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  • slippylane

    7 months ago

    Aviv - fair point, but most bloggers put the extra stuff on their site as a way to drive traffic there, or to promote other things the blogger is in support of, although I concur your point that there is something about the trend towards minimalist layouts that appeals. I predict we'll see more of this trend as more ex-Googlers launch their own startups! :-)
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  • Aviv Shaham

    7 months ago

    For example, Fred Wilson's blog - a real gem, with amazing content, but man.. all those widgets make me fidget.
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  • Dennis

    7 months ago

    You should check out Tumblr, it's kinda like minimalistic blogging.
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  • Andy C

    7 months ago

    Aviv - What on earth do you mean ? The header is needlessly cluttered with an RSS icon (most readers know how to subscribe) and a search bar that will never be used. The footer is cluttered with licensing and copyright info.

    Seriously though, I do like the simplicitly and presentation of this blog :-)

    If you're not already aware, you might also like Scott Wallick's themes for WP - 'minimalist' style themes which are quite stunning IMHO.

    I saw a great article that said most blogs are contaminated by widgets, noise, badges etc purely for the authors satisfaction rather than the most important audience - the reader.
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  • Thejesh GN

    7 months ago

    Great product. I am going to use very soon ( as soon as I get invitation :) ).
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  • Louis Gray

    7 months ago

    I like all the references to "totally easy" and "equally easy". Makes those of who are Liberal Arts majors look the other way and go back to arguing over punctuation.
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  • kaz

    7 months ago

    I'm with Louis, it's a bit intimidating to read all this "totally easy" talk as a non-coder....wondering if Bret and his readership have any advice with regard to the questions here:

    http://now-what.tumblr.com/post/31172670
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  • Benjamin Golub

    7 months ago

    Nice job! I think FriendFeed Stats might make the switch over to Google App Engine; it's small enough that it shouldn't take long. I'm going to play around with it tonight after work I hope.
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  • Benjamin Golub

    7 months ago

    FriendFeed Stats is now running on App Engine....unfortunately I didn't realize that they limited count queries to only 1000 results. Which makes the global pages kind of useless :(
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  • n8k99

    7 months ago

    oh well, that`s a little disappointing I guess, but nice to find the limits. :-)
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  • Voyagerfan5761

    7 months ago

    So when does Blogger get ported to App Engine? :D Oh wait, App Engine is basically what Blogger, Gmail, and all the other Google services already run on isn't it?
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  • bjtitus

    7 months ago

    What's the web framework you used?
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  • simen

    7 months ago

    Looks like the webapp framework that comes with Google App Engine.
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  • rob

    7 months ago

    As Bret said in his post, it's a custom one they use at FriendFeed that looks a lot like the webapp framework that comes with App Engine.
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  • simen

    7 months ago

    That's what you get for not reading properly :) Although that also applies to bjtitus's original comment.
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  • bjtitus

    7 months ago

    He only says "I used a web framework we use at FriendFeed" so I thought it might be publicly available.
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  • Alex Hammer

    7 months ago

    Bret,

    Congratulations on the start of your blog. I have seen Scoble's (very fine) and other interviews of you, and you, in addition to Friendfeed, are amazing. You are not only someone who "gets it" in terms of putting the pieces together (product, personnel, marketing, background, etc.) but you're in the right space and are evidencing superior execution. If Google is the next Microsoft and Facebook is the next Google, Friendfeed (watch out Facebook) is the next Facebook. You'll be as rich as Zuckerberg will be (and maybe Page and Brin), and as much in a leadership industry position.
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  • bootload

    7 months ago

    "... I don't think this blog will ever get millions of page views, but it is pretty cool that it could in theory :) I didn't have to configure anything. I didn't need to make an account system to make an administrative section of the site. And the entire blog is less than 100 lines of code. ..."

    Any chance of showing the template or portions of the templates?
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  • Bret Taylor

    7 months ago

    Sure. I will post the entire code base to Google Code in the next few weeks when I get a few moments.
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  • defcon

    7 months ago

    Bret, thanks for being so passionate in what you do, your a genius and an inspiration to many, where can I learn to code webapps for app engine?
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  • Bret Taylor

    7 months ago

    Your best bet is the App Engine Getting Started Guide: http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/gettingst...
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  • bootload

    7 months ago

    "... Your best bet is the App Engine Getting Started Guide ..."

    Lame. It gives a "hello world" app and uses all but the simplest of techniques. All cgi and none of the django GAE capabilities. Hackernews has a (buggy) example of a django howto. But having looked at it and the copious amounts of code it requires maybe the "getting started" guide is a good idea, for now.

    - http://www.42topics.com/dumps/django/docs.html

    - http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/bro...

    - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=160219
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  • bootload

    6 months ago

    here is another sample very similiar to this one ~ http://github.com/btbytes/teh/tree/master
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  • Al

    7 months ago

    Great write up Bret. I can't wait to see some much more significant examples of what people are capable of delivering over app engine.
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  • Vasudev Ram

    7 months ago

    Thanks for this post - useful.

    - Vasudev
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  • Johnny R

    7 months ago

    Fantastic primer on GAE..

    Thanks
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  • sebi

    7 months ago

    Cool, can't wait for an account to fiddle with it! :)
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  • marcio

    7 months ago

    Seems cool but john doe`s like me and most of us are going to need to wait lined up. The 10.000 beta invites seem to be gone before the whole thing went on!

    However, good job on your side.
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  • kredi

    7 months ago

    Very nice article. I really liked it a lot and it gave me a few good pointers. Thanks!
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  • Jared

    7 months ago

    any chance you can post the full tarball?
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  • Pradeep

    6 months ago

    I've put together the working code for a simple blog app using examples above as a starting point.

    Its available at: http://github.com/btbytes/teh/tree/master
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  • bootload

    6 months ago

    had a look through it Pradeep, nice work ~ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=180773
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  • Dunha McGregor

    7 months ago

    Hi Bret,

    I have some questions about the framework you use at FrienFeed:

    - Is this framework publicly available?
    - Is this framework open-source?

    Best Regards
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  • Bret Taylor

    7 months ago

    It is not open source yet, but we have already started decoupling it from the rest of our code base to open source it soon. I will post about it on this blog when we do.
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  • Vinicius Cavalcante

    7 months ago

    Bret,

    It will be great for Python community because, despite the huge quantity of web application frameworks, the quality of many is low.
    I'm really excited. Especially because, according to your post, it looks like web.py and webapp.

    Thanks!
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  • btbytes

    6 months ago

    Hi Bret,
    I've put together the working code for a simple blog app using your examples above as a starting point.

    Its available at: http://github.com/btbytes/teh/tree/master
    and the live site: http://teh.appspot.com/
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  • Alex

    6 months ago

    Perhaps things have changed since you wrote this, but now you don't need the decorator. You can specify in your appconfig file that a handler requires login or is admin-only.
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  • Alex

    6 months ago

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  • James Little

    5 months ago

    Does anyone know how to effectively leverage the CategoryProperty property class (see http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/datastore...). I like the minimilist approach, but the first thing I would add is the ability to group posts into categories. This can be done by modelling relationships of course, something like a list of keys on one side; but I'm wondering if CategoryProperty provides a more elegant solution.
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  • Tom

    4 months ago

    Bret,

    Nice post. Since your webpage is written using Python, it looks like most of your webpages like FriendFeed uses the slash "/" so that it can be indexed by web search engine. Do you know how to do this in ASP.NET. All I've got is the query string which google cannot index like "Search.aspx?q=hello". How can I make it like so it is like a directory Search/Hello. Any clues. Thanks.
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  • John Santiago

    3 months ago

    Hey Bret,

    When will you release the Python web framework used in FrienFeed?
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  • Mike Bru

    2 months ago

    I think Bret has forgotten this blog.
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  • Mapping services

    1 month ago

    Nice blog.. keep on posting such informative post.
    regards
    Gis@SBL
    Photogrammetry & Lidar Mapping
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